Offer Me Some Singing Tips :P

[dink]

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EDITED BY YANDJE:


In this thread u can ask about singing tips!


Please share your techniques!




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original msg by dink:



I hope this is the right section
Any tips for a n00bie? hahaha
My weakness are high notes :( sometimes cant get to that note and some times "mo hai" hahah
any tips?

[poOgee]

1) Breathe with stomach ... um yea..... stomach can expand more than ur lungs, so yah
2) mmmmmm ease into high notes i spose?? I can't do it, but maybe you can
3) Learn the song > <
4) Don't copy the original singer??

haha that's all for now > <

[Quan_master]

A good warm up always help... I say do like 10-15 min of warm up like not singing words warm up like Ah-Ah AH Ah ah ah warm ups and other ones you know what I mean.

[hkboi]

sing staccato

[fish8]

high notes as in using falsetto (fake voice) or like power singing??

anyways if falsetto, then i guess its just relaxing and try not to force the note out... make sure u have enuf air to sing that note first, and let it out softly, dont stress the note... once u can get the note, try work on control...and of cos warming up helps...

if u want to yell it out...then just yell it out i guess...:P
but ya, it takes time to expand your range...if orginally u are not too far from yelling that note, then i think u should just try to relax and not yell the note first, practice in hitting that note perfectly first, then once u master that work on strength...if you weren't even close in getting the note in the first place then dont rush things, u need to train your vocals and it takes time for your range to expand...

add oil...dont expect to be an eason or jacky in one day, they're just insane :P

support!!

[poOgee]

more "tipssss" from the every-so-crappy poOgee jai:

1) work on the transition between falsetto and chest voice <-- become like david tao haha
2) learn how to harmonise when you need to <--- good for duet songs and effects while recording solos
3) instead of singing louder, imagine your voice reaching outwards around you, not above you.... hence, don't look up when you sing high... <---- posture is very important :D

hahahahah ok :D

[Esquire]

Remember this: Multiple takes are inevitable. Let's face it, we're not professional singers. Don't try and sing a song in one take. More than likely, you've messed up somewhere.

[kitpowa]

TIP.... Don't sing a song u don't like ^^

[yandje]

hahahahaha :blush:

hai mer??

but I don't like it though.. hahahhaa

ow m gwai dak jhi the good mrning sir and gdbye sir is for me lar!!! hahahhaahhaa
hahaha yeahhh


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DOes anyone know how to do tongue massage?? Im jut biting it... hehe. .. my tongue hurts cuz too much work out (singing and i talk too much) ...

[KuenLui]

DOes anyone know how to do tongue massage?? Im jut biting it... hehe. .. my tongue hurts cuz too much work out (singing and i talk too much) ...
lolll tongue massage? i think its like 'shaking' it with ur lips or sumthinggg... i dunno how to explainnnn.....

[lilazncub]

tongue massage?? mmm i dunno, you tongue is actually sore? stick your fingers in your mouth and start massging it? :laffing:

[dink]

my singing voice sounds dead!! how can i bring it upupup!?

[kitpowa]

Hey... yes.. i been trying to train to use my "dan tin" when singing~~~
but it doesn't seem to work~ can anyone offer me some tipz?~ :wave:

[hkboi]

inhale and have diaphram expand

[longsiu]

To practice this, take a deep breath and try to control the amount of air that goes out with your stomach, when your stomach pushes in, your diaphram goes up and the air fills your lungs you will feel like your chest is getting bigger (just like a woman who tries to show that she has bigger breast :laffing: )... as you exhale slowly, you will feel that your diaphram goes down slowly and your stomach will return to its original state. After a while, you will feel your diaphram activity a little better... you will then be able to practice your breath control... next try to sing a single note while taking a deep breath and exhaling slowly, the point is to sing that same note without any variance, you must be able to maintain the same note at the same volume all the time. If you get a hang of it, try to sing parts of a song and pay attention on how you breath and you'll probably be able to control the amount of air that is needed when singing each note, with alot of practice, you will know how much air you need to inhale for each line you sing in a song, some ppl will not inhale alot of air and you'll be able to hear when they are running out of breath when they finish a line... some will inhale too much air and you will also hear it when they sing... just practice more and it will also help you sing stronger notes when needed...

[lilazncub]

ohh btw...ab muscle development helps :D

[yandje]

my singing voice sounds dead!! how can i bring it upupup!?
id say emotions and power/strength

[kitpowa]

thx LUNG GOR! .. try it sometime.. if it doen'st work i will haunt u down :D

[kitpowa]

when do u guys take ur breathe?? every pause?? every line?? or every stanza?

[aznboii_]

lol im having those problems tooo hahaha

not enough breath..
but if u listen carefully, u can hear where the artist takes his breath?

[longsiu]

when do u guys take ur breathe?? every pause?? every line?? or every stanza?

it depends on the length of a line, on it speed and rythm...
let's say you're singing a very very fast song and you need to sing like 5 lines before there is a pause, you will most likely have to take a very deep breath in order to sing that entire part without taking breaks... that's when your breath control is used at its best... if you feel like you can't sing that part with only one breath, you'll either need to practice your breath control better, or take very short breaks, looking for the best little pause between lines to take another quick but silent breath...

when you sing slower songs, your breathing sometimes plays an important role in giving more emotion to a song, some ppl will choose to take very deep breath and sing out exhaling all the air for one single line while some other will choose to save it up for 2-3 lines before taking another breath

try to practice breathing without making too much noise as its often not a very good thing to hear when listenning to a song... even though sometimes there are songs in which singers will force it out to give more emotion (I can think of some stephy songs, like 他不准我哭) a good diaphram practice and test would be: try to go jogging and when you feel like you're starting to run out of breath, try to breathe without making any obvious noise... like when you run after a bus and get on it without letting people know that you had to run after it :laffing:
take deep, slow and silent breath

[lilazncub]

when do u guys take ur breathe?? every pause?? every line?? or every stanza?
usually when it feels natural to breathe...you can hear the original artist breathe too...

[advent_child]

1) KNOW YOUR LYRICS...i can't stress this enough from newbie singers
2) sing in front of an audience; this will help cure or lower stage fright and being shy
3) sing whenever wherever you can; this ranges from taking a shower or walking the street
4) listen to a wide variety of music...and i mean wide. this means not just pop/rock, but rap, hip-hop, R&B, alternative, contemporary, etc. basically, everthing imaginable

[YnoT]

i have trouble singing the low notes, when i get up to a low note my voice sounds very bad

any ideas how to improve this?

[yandje]

I need help :(

I have no breath. I "hang leung bo lo", sing "leung gui song" jau hei chuen la .... :(
and get very tired after those sentences n hafta sleep ....... wat can do so i can sing a sentence without getting tired?

[lilazncub]

I need help :(

I have no breath. I "hang leung bo lo", sing "leung gui song" jau hei chuen la .... :(
and get very tired after those sentences n hafta sleep ....... wat can do so i can sing a sentence without getting tired?
take a huge breath through your nose, hold it for 15-25 seconds and then let go through your mouth...then breathe normally for a little bit..and try singing, do it a couple more time if you still tired...=P idea is to expand your lungs a bit before you sing so you can breathe in more hehe...just a lil more =P

[yandje]

take a huge breath through your nose, hold it for 15-25 seconds and then let go through your mouth...then breathe normally for a little bit..and try singing, do it a couple more time if you still tired...=P idea is to expand your lungs a bit before you sing so you can breathe in more hehe...just a lil more =P
oohh.. ill try that.. thanks :D

[7jai]

i never really understood warmups.. =S why dont you just start singing a very easy going simple song instead as a warmup...

it's better than saying "AH AHA HA HA HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHH" all the time LOL =)

[elkayem]

yeah my frd told me to shout softly for 15-30mins non stop for warm up...=.="
that would make me look like a psycho...

[poOgee]

i never really understood warmups.. =S why dont you just start singing a very easy going simple song instead as a warmup...

it's better than saying "AH AHA HA HA HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHH" all the time LOL =)
yea... that works... cuz it's the same principles anyway..

err sii jeh ... u need to go swimming >_<

[strawberry]

I can't sing higggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh :cry:

[poOgee]

I can't sing higggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh :cry:
head voice ^^v hahah

[jaee]

I can't sing higggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh :cry:
Use falsetto. That's what I do..=P

[strawberry]

Use falsetto. That's what I do..=P
I can't even do that!!!

[poOgee]

I can't even do that!!!
jeebus
this is hard to explain
um

the way i see it, do u know when people cheer at a concert? and they're voice sounds really high... that's falsetto... but can't really teach u how to do it >_<

[jaee]

I can't even do that!!!
mm.. do a high pitched scream... that's how falsetto is done. xD
but even if you can't sing with a high voice you can just yell the notes out...

[perfectflaw]

^but supposedly, girls don't really have falsettos because it's more of a guy thing since guys sing at lower ranges than girls.

when i think falsetto, i think talking or singing after inhaling helium from a baloon, lolz. Just like, try doing a really high pitch shriek/scream like what missjae suggested, lolz

[poOgee]

^but supposedly, girls don't really have falsettos because it's more of a guy thing since guys sing at lower ranges than girls.

when i think falsetto, i think talking or singing after inhaling helium from a baloon, lolz. Just like, try doing a really high pitch shriek/scream like what missjae suggested, lolz
technically, it's falsetto for guys
and head voice for girls
but it's basically the same thing anyway <_<

[princess_bb]

my pronunciation is bad, what can i do to improve? i mean my articulation, i hv been trying my best, but it always turned out mumbling:sob:


offer me some singing tips, thx!!

[strawberry]

technically, it's falsetto for guys
and head voice for girls
but it's basically the same thing anyway <_<
haaiii..
I think I never will succeed singing high notes or in a high voice..
but thankx anyway!

[jaee]

my pronunciation is bad, what can i do to improve? i mean my articulation, i hv been trying my best, but it always turned out mumbling:sob:


offer me some singing tips, thx!!
Exaggerate your mouth when you pronounce each word. =)


My voice is gettings yuckier and yuckier lately. :sob:
More nasal and can't reach high notes anymore...
How can I make it better?

[yandje]

Exaggerate your mouth when you pronounce each word. =)


My voice is gettings yuckier and yuckier lately. :sob:
More nasal and can't reach high notes anymore...
How can I make it better?

u cant do anything, u are getting old, just like me :rofl: i also cant get enough air when singing too... sing sing ha wui :@_@:

[lilazncub]

Exaggerate your mouth when you pronounce each word. =)


My voice is gettings yuckier and yuckier lately. :sob:
More nasal and can't reach high notes anymore...
How can I make it better?

warm up before you sing...i've been warming up before i sing because of these ri-bloody-diculous songs you guys request >.< saves my voice sometimes...

[lilazncub]

u cant do anything, u are getting old, just like me :rofl: i also cant get enough air when singing too... sing sing ha wui :@_@:
hahaha...its not because getting old gwa...just need some exercise for those lungs =P

if i said that to missy she would have shot me...:laffing:

[yandje]

hahaha...its not because getting old gwa...just need some exercise for those lungs =P

if i said that to missy she would have shot me...:laffing:
dim gai missy wui shoot u ah?

anyways,.,..

i wonder how to control voice ah?

[lilazncub]

Question for all ya pro singers...how do you sing with vibratto?

[poOgee]

Question for all ya pro singers...how do you sing with vibratto?
breath control
breath control

there isn't really a "how"
it just comes out when u can control ur breath n crap properly

[jaee]

u cant do anything, u are getting old, just like me :rofl: i also cant get enough air when singing too... sing sing ha wui :@_@:
I found out it was because I was getting sick... :fustrate:
my voice is gone right now.. but I'm drinking honey and lemon.... and it taste so good...! :hehe:
I think I"m gonna drink this more often!



Question for all ya pro singers...how do you sing with vibratto?
Well, I'm not a pro singer... but I know that everyone has a vibratto... just some ppo's vibratto is more noticable than others... but you shouldn't force it.. because you can tell that it's unnatural if you force it.

[sheri]

how can i go down to low notes without hurting my throat?

[lilazncub]

how can i go down to low notes without hurting my throat?
lol u hurt your throat going low? i hurt it going high :@_@:

mmm try warming up first la...with scales but start on a lower octave...if u have a piano can try that...or i have a mp3 that longsiu gave me that has warmups on there...lemme know if you want it ar...i think u have my msn =P

[yandje]

lol u hurt your throat going low? i hurt it going high :@_@:

mmm try warming up first la...with scales but start on a lower octave...if u have a piano can try that...or i have a mp3 that longsiu gave me that has warmups on there...lemme know if you want it ar...i think u have my msn =P
i cant sing low after warming up wor. i :dead: when i try to sing low then...
so i can only sing a guy song in just when i start to sing .. but after some guy songs my throat will hurt.... thats why i hv problems recording mah duet with amzi.. ^o)

[kawanii]

i tend to drink water before i sing ^^ hehe..and once a month..even though i hardly do it..i go thru all my cds wit songs i like to sing and sing em =] even though it may be a bit too heavy for u if u hardly sing..but i really like singing..and i kinda have the singing gene in me from my mom..so its good =]

breathing: u can always do exercises like swimming or running to expand ur ability to have more breaths? lol..

um..DIAPHRAGM..singing falsetto too much kinda ruins ur vocal chords..

when hitting high notes..push out a lil bit more airr..and just at random times..try hitting that note although u may not be able to (i recommend u do it when ur home alone or in the shower..cuz thats me..haha)

and when ur holding those long loud notes mostly at the bridges or special parts of the song..dont PUSH too hard..it makes ur voice shake..sing it like its truly from ur diaphragm and not ur throat

=]

[poOgee]

i tend to drink water before i sing ^^ hehe..and once a month..even though i hardly do it..i go thru all my cds wit songs i like to sing and sing em =] even though it may be a bit too heavy for u if u hardly sing..but i really like singing..and i kinda have the singing gene in me from my mom..so its good =]

breathing: u can always do exercises like swimming or running to expand ur ability to have more breaths? lol..

um..DIAPHRAGM..singing falsetto too much kinda ruins ur vocal chords..

when hitting high notes..push out a lil bit more airr..and just at random times..try hitting that note although u may not be able to (i recommend u do it when ur home alone or in the shower..cuz thats me..haha)

and when ur holding those long loud notes mostly at the bridges or special parts of the song..dont PUSH too hard..it makes ur voice shake..sing it like its truly from ur diaphragm and not ur throat

=]
drinking water before singing = slobber everywhere

and i don't think it's the capacity of ur lungs themselves that affect breath ... i think it's more to do with a lot of people releasing too much air on a single note

falsetto... if done properly, i don't think should ruin vocal chords...

and the voice shaking thing... if ur referring to vibrato.... it should happen =\

[hkboi]

drinking water before singing = slobber everywhere

and i don't think it's the capacity of ur lungs themselves that affect breath ... i think it's more to do with a lot of people releasing too much air on a single note

falsetto... if done properly, i don't think should ruin vocal chords...

and the voice shaking thing... if ur referring to vibrato.... it should happen =\
summary work on breath control :D

[longsiu]

hey hey everyone, as I've been trying to learn more theories on vocal usage, I landed on this very pro board.... go check it out now, u might find answers to your questions... if u have more questions, you could as well post it there... some vocal specialists will answer pretty quickly and they give valuable tips...

http://p102.ezboard.com/fjessenemitzfrm7

[Chynese Fob]

hey hey everyone, as I've been trying to learn more theories on vocal usage, I landed on this very pro board.... go check it out now, u might find answers to your questions... if u have more questions, you could as well post it there... some vocal specialists will answer pretty quickly and they give valuable tips...

http://p102.ezboard.com/fjessenemitzfrm7


The site is not bad....very useful ar. Thanks man.:hehe:

[Kenarf]

Anybody got tips for better pronounciation? because when i sing, i sometimes "lur" or "lan yum" by accident..anybody got tips?? according to some of my friends..i "lur" worst than leo ku=(

[poOgee]

Anybody got tips for better pronounciation? because when i sing, i sometimes "lur" or "lan yum" by accident..anybody got tips?? according to some of my friends..i "lur" worst than leo ku=(
Read the lyrics first
and then sing the notes while "reading" the lyrics, try and open your mouth enough so that each word can be heard clearly, but still be able to sound smooth enough
rofl

anywayy found this podcast site off sii foo's link, should be helpful in general, cept i'm too lazy to try any of it ^^"
http://web.mac.com/jhvocals/iWeb/Site/Podcast/Archive.html

[Kenarf]

hi, i am back again..sorry for bugging you guys but..if you were to go up on stage to perform, what could you drink(tong, drinks) or stuff that you could take to make you sing better? and if anyone has tips, it'd be greatly appreciatedd=P

[poOgee]

hi, i am back again..sorry for bugging you guys but..if you were to go up on stage to perform, what could you drink(tong, drinks) or stuff that you could take to make you sing better? and if anyone has tips, it'd be greatly appreciatedd=P
nothing can make you "sing" better... it's just practice -.-"
But if you're singing on stage, try to act as though you're not nervous, and sing everything out more freely, not restricting yourself to only techniques....

[longsiu]

hi, i am back again..sorry for bugging you guys but..if you were to go up on stage to perform, what could you drink(tong, drinks) or stuff that you could take to make you sing better? and if anyone has tips, it'd be greatly appreciatedd=Pdrinks don't make you sing better... all they can do is moisturize your throat it doesn't dry when you perform... just rmb to drink a lot of water

[lok]

lots of ALCOHOL always makes me sing better

and makes everyone else sound better too... mwahahaha

or wait, was i just drunk?? :)

[Kenarf]

lol, i was joking about the singing better part=P hahahha. Alcohol..^o)thankss, wish me luck...=) i might post a demo or something, i want someone to rate me or critique me=P

[longsiu]

lots of ALCOHOL always makes me sing better

and makes everyone else sound better too... mwahahaha

or wait, was i just drunk?? :)it also makes everyone happier and better looking too hahah

[longsiu]

anyone knows a good website for tone-deafness test and very basic online ear training exercises?

I found a few but most of them require a basic music knowledge and note identification... I can't recommend them to my friend because she knows nothing about music and notes names...

[poOgee]

anyone knows a good website for tone-deafness test and very basic online ear training exercises?

I found a few but most of them require a basic music knowledge and note identification... I can't recommend them to my friend because she knows nothing about music and notes names...
Easiest way to test for tone-deafness is to sing any random note, hold it, and tell them to sing the same note hahaha

[longsiu]

^ yea, or practice along with a piano by playing random notes and ask them to sing the same note as acurate as possible.... but then the only problem is... she doesn't have a piano... and even if she did, she wouldn't be able to tell if the note she sings is acurate or not and I won't always be around to tell her if it's good or not so I was looking for some software or online exercises that would help with ear training

[poOgee]

^ yea, or practice along with a piano by playing random notes and ask them to sing the same note as acurate as possible.... but then the only problem is... she doesn't have a piano... and even if she did, she wouldn't be able to tell if the note she sings is acurate or not and I won't always be around to tell her if it's good or not so I was looking for some software or online exercises that would help with ear training
uh... it's hard to do without musical knowledge though <___<"

[longsiu]

^ if it was easy I wouldn't ask for help la :laffing:

[poOgee]

^ if it was easy I wouldn't ask for help la :laffing:
^ Why you asking for help anyway -.-" You're the SII FOO LOL

[longsiu]

^ LOL 4 jai bao! being sifoo doesn't mean I know which websites to recommend ppl la

[poOgee]

^ LOL 4 jai bao! being sifoo doesn't mean I know which websites to recommend ppl la
^ XD How do you teach without prior preparation.... tsk tsk LOL

[longsiu]

^ XD How do you teach without prior preparation.... tsk tsk LOLthe same way I taught you guys... see how u guys are good singers now? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[poOgee]

the same way I taught you guys... see how u guys are good singers now? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
what.................................. *dead air*

[lilazncub]

the same way I taught you guys... see how u guys are good singers now? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
:huh: errrr.....





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[poOgee]

:huh: errrr.....





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[lilazncub]

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*10 hours later* uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[poOgee]

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*10 hours later* uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
*throws tomatoes at sii foo*

[lilazncub]

*throws tomatoes at sii foo*
*shoots sifo with paintball gun* :laffing:

wow ngo dei faan dui hahaha...

[yandje]

wahhhhhhhhhh sifo! they are jok'ing fan again!!
ho choi u have one gwai todai :whatever: :^_^: me me :wave:

[lilazncub]

wahhhhhhhhhh sifo! they are jok'ing fan again!!
ho choi u have one gwai todai :whatever: :^_^: me me :wave:
sai mm sai chat hai ar??? :laffing:

[yandje]

sai mm sai chat hai ar??? :laffing:
sifooooooooo kui ha nga arhhhhh!!!
mo chat hai ak... he knows im the most gwai :^_^:

[lilazncub]

sifooooooooo kui ha nga arhhhhh!!!
mo chat hai ak... he knows im the most gwai :^_^:
biggest butt kisser! :laffing: im jk jeh...sifo is more like my brother than sifo hahahaha...i only ha nei because i like you...if i didn't i wouldn't bother so you should be happy ha? :rofl:

[longsiu]

aaaah how people envy our school! hahaha

[snowyswan]

tongue massage?? mmm i dunno, you tongue is actually sore? stick your fingers in your mouth and start massging it? :laffing:


haha that is so funny. Yeah I think the tongue has to do with a lot...duhh lol.
I'm not very good with hitting the high notes either...I like singing the guy songs better cause it's just the right key for my voice!

[Little Froggie Princess]

i also wants some tips ah.. my voice is so weak... i want to know how to sing louder... hah...

and i actually dunno how to use my voice...

[Silverbolt]

euhm just tried to record my voice, i think i have a quite nasal voice.. what kan I do about it??

[ndru920]

relax your throat, and concentrate using your "voice" not "nasal" to sing, don't sing under pressure.

[Silverbolt]

ah ok i'll try try lar =)
i think i am going to get it... so i recorded a new one.. plz comment lar
it was recorded in the same theme as the 2007 Summer contest..though i am not participating.
a song from leslie cheung
listen (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=712213&songID=5447769)

[princess_bb]

why u posting here ger ><!!!!!!!!!!!!
listen sin
This song I very like!!!!!


hmmmmmmmm, kinda straining wor at the beginning, but then the feel ho jeng ar in the chorus!!!!

jau yum!!! haha, it's ok , we all do :D and it's like ur holding in ur voice ger??? lol. overal not too bad, few parts running out of tune, that's all, The nicest is the feel at some parts.!!!

Keep up singing, and post in the singing thread lar!!!

[Silverbolt]

gam this is a thread for singing tips mar... so.. post my songs to be commented.. :p and have some hard words =(

[longsiu]

why u posting here ger ><!!!!!!!!!!!!
listen sin
This song I very like!!!!!


hmmmmmmmm, kinda straining wor at the beginning, but then the feel ho jeng ar in the chorus!!!!

jau yum!!! haha, it's ok , we all do :D and it's like ur holding in ur voice ger??? lol. overal not too bad, few parts running out of tune, that's all, The nicest is the feel at some parts.!!!

Keep up singing, and post in the singing thread lar!!!Singing in tune is actually one of the most important thing when performing a song.

Musical notes create a melody which is the root of a song. If the notes are off, the melody is gone and the song wouldn't sound right at all

In my opinion, the first thing everyone should pay attention to is the tune. When singing a song, make sure that your pitch accuracy is perfect (or almost perfect). If a song is too hard and some notes get too high for your voice, try picking a song that allows you to sing every note correctly. Once you have achieved this part, you can start paying attention to other details such as nasality, breath control, strength and so on...

For people like me who have a very limited vocal range, I'd prefer choosing songs that I am able to sing and try to sing them as good as I can rather than picking any song and not being able to perform any of them correctly.

However, this doesn't mean that you can't try and sing more challenging songs. With alot of proper exercises and practice, our vocal ability will improve and will eventually allow us to sing songs that we really want to sing. In the meantime, if you really want to sing a song but find it too hard for your voice, you can always adjust its pitch with adobe audition in order to let it fall within your range.

The process takes alot of time, but if you like singing and know how to appreciate music, you'll find it very enjoyable and will become a better singer every day. So don't give up and keep singing! Singing should be relaxing and fun. :)

[fish8]

Little bit off topic...and i didnt' really read the previous posts, hope i'm not repeating anything...the following is just my opinon about some singing techniques and my views about singing.
um...how should i start...ok, well i thought about humm...how come so many people can imitate the singing of hacken lee, andy lau, alan tam etc etc...its not like their songs are easy to sing or anything. But how is it that even a crappy singing person like me, even with a completely different talking voice can sound at least a little bit like those "artists"?? well, i sort of analyzed how they sing, their technique etc. and i came up with a conclusion where most hk artists do not have their individual styles?...hey thats not right or is it??...we can easily tell the difference between artists when they sing. so y did i say that??...well its their singing technique. typical well, hk artists at least do not use their throat voice. (voice which is the same as their talkign voice). u hear alot of strain in their singing..its almost like they're trying to sing too emotionally. so is that good or bad??...well imo, their singing is not bad, but their song can be easily imiated by anyone that can control their strain to be the same as the artists.
well thats y most of us today think hk has no talent...every new comer is like "a sign in wong kwok will kill 10 of them if it falls down"...no individualism!... i think the solution is by changing how people sing. the only way to bring out an individual is by using their natural voice (throat voice). because your natural vocal is unique!! none of that fancy stuff where u put some strain + nasal + vibrato etc...anyone can copy that. but no one can copy your throat voice..that's y u see an extremely small about of ppl that can imitate eason's voice...cos he's singing with his throat voice...u have to naturally sound like eason before u can copy him.
so here's my 2 cents...bbq me if ya all want...
but if u agree, then good on ya ^^v high five :)
in the mean time, happy singing whatever the way u want...

[poOgee]

Little bit off topic...and i didnt' really read the previous posts, hope i'm not repeating anything...the following is just my opinon about some singing techniques and my views about singing.
um...how should i start...ok, well i thought about humm...how come so many people can imitate the singing of hacken lee, andy lau, alan tam etc etc...its not like their songs are easy to sing or anything. But how is it that even a crappy singing person like me, even with a completely different talking voice can sound at least a little bit like those "artists"?? well, i sort of analyzed how they sing, their technique etc. and i came up with a conclusion where most hk artists do not have their individual styles?...hey thats not right or is it??...we can easily tell the difference between artists when they sing. so y did i say that??...well its their singing technique. typical well, hk artists at least do not use their throat voice. (voice which is the same as their talkign voice). u hear alot of strain in their singing..its almost like they're trying to sing too emotionally. so is that good or bad??...well imo, their singing is not bad, but their song can be easily imiated by anyone that can control their strain to be the same as the artists.
well thats y most of us today think hk has no talent...every new comer is like "a sign in wong kwok will kill 10 of them if it falls down"...no individualism!... i think the solution is by changing how people sing. the only way to bring out an individual is by using their natural voice (throat voice). because your natural vocal is unique!! none of that fancy stuff where u put some strain + nasal + vibrato etc...anyone can copy that. but no one can copy your throat voice..that's y u see an extremely small about of ppl that can imitate eason's voice...cos he's singing with his throat voice...u have to naturally sound like eason before u can copy him.
so here's my 2 cents...bbq me if ya all want...
but if u agree, then good on ya ^^v high five :)
in the mean time, happy singing whatever the way u want...
Using throat voice to sing is kind of like shouting for 4 hours straight - it's not good for your voice box.
It's not that HK artists lack "talent", it's just that they don't have anything special in their voices that can differentiate them from other artists. I mean, there aren't a lot of people that can sing like Gary Cao, Leehom or even Jay, since they all sing with a special "oomph" which differentiates them from other singers.
Quite possibly, it's also the fact that canto, in all honesty, is a SHIT dialect to sing it - it uses a lot of nasal sounds that sound really gay, and hence the problem here is probably that the dialect itself does not allow any room for variation (Fish Leong sounds good singing in mando, however, in her recent canto song 原來你也唱過我的歌 she sounds quite similar to some of the HK artists, so basically, the HK artists that attempt expansion to Taiwan also take with them the lazy techniques they got into the habit of using in HK, making them sound shatttt)

/rant finish

[yandje]

^^how do i sing with my throat voice and not my head voice then?

[longsiu]

I don't think that in order to develop a unique singing style, people should only sing in full voice (throat voice). Your throat voice only covers about one third of your entire singing range. Telling someone to only use throat resonance will only limit their vocal expansion and not allow them to fully exploit their vocal abilities.

A good vocalist should be able to decide which register to choose when singing a song. Knowing that a same note can be sung in different ways, it is up to the singer to choose how they want to sing it.

The problem about most HK singers is that they all use about the same techniques wich make them all sound alike. Like Fish8 said, most of them would only use head voice and add a little vibrato once in a while and that's about it.

As for what makes Eason sound different than other singers. You will notice that he would normally start singing very softly and would mostly use his head voice to sing the high notes. When the song reaches its climax, he would sing the same high notes but instead of using his head voice, he would normally sing them in full voice, giving those notes alot more power and energy. After the climax, he will bring the energy back down by singing in head voice and finish the song by singing the last notes in falsetto. So it's not totally right to say that he sounds different because he only sings in full voice, since he doesn't. But I do agree that he uses his full voice more than other HK singers.

[fish8]

whoaa long replies pooogggie and long >< so much to read...

for starters i semi disagree with poogie...about the part u said hk artists do not have special voices to differenciate from one another. its totally not true :P...everyone's voice is quite unique. i'm sure u can tell one off another when they're talking on radio or something...just face it, they're too lazy to sing with their throat voice. and they're just scared they'll screw up their voice since they haven't begun singing with the throat since little like the westerners...i'm just sort of saying that it would be nice if there were some new singers that uses a bit of different techniques in particular throat voice...oh and about the part u'r saying gary,leehom,jay are quite unique..ya they're quite unique as they do use some of their throat voice.
oh but i sort of know how their technique works..try this out poogee...get your headvoice going first...now for gary/leehom (their techniques are quite similar), now deform your mouth shape so the bottom lip is like a upsidedown "u" (like an unhappy face)...leave your tongue floating while singing (not let it rest on ya bottom jaw)...so now..get your fave leehom/gary song and try sing along until u feel what part of the throat they're singing with...once u feel that u got the emotion right, its just about practicing...
now for longsui...yup totally agree with you, an artist should not only sing with their throat voice. But to be a good artist you should be able to use your throat voice. to me hk artists suck so much that they can't use throat voice or that they secretly can but they dont show it...either way, i dont hear many artists using their full voice at all...which is one reasons why many of the other neighbooring countries think hk don't have much talent...oh and good analysis of eason's singing style..ya..he's so like that now in his songs :P...oh, but go back to his older songs and u hear heaps of his headvoice...:S


^^how do i sing with my throat voice and not my head voice then?

hihi yannie ^^v
well for starters i think u know what throat and head voice is judging by your comment....
ok frist of all, stop when u feel your throat hurts...(i am not a professional singer nor am i a singing teacher :P...i just sort of figured it out through years of k-room singing :P)...
now...first of all the head voice...its called head voice because you can feel that your sound is coming from the head right??? if u can't, try this: slowly go up the scales and feel where the voice is coming from. as u go up the scales from low to high, you should feel that the note is resonating from the throat and then inside yoru head when it reaches your high notes...(for me, the high notes are sort of at the back of my head :P..dont know if its right XDD but whatever ^^)...ok u got your head voice...we dont want that :P...so avoid pushing your resonance up there.
now throat voice, is ya throat :)...typically it should be lower notes. try talking like a very deep voiced person...you can feel that you have no head voice right?...we want that :)...and u can sort of feel there are little voice bubbles..(i dont know how to explain that ><, but voice bubbles will do)...those bubbles are good :)...now go up the scales a little keeping those bubbles...note that it sometimes feels ichy when u reach the higher notes with your bubbled throat voice...thats just yoru voice resonating..all good...just remember to fully relax your throat, and try and mentally push your voice box lower...oh and for beginners, remember throat voice should cover your lower parts of your range...dont force/shout the higher notes which you cannot reach right now...it will damage yoru voice. (note i did that while attempting a beyond song and i was out for 1 month XDDD, so dont over do yourself)...range will develop with practice...
add oil and have fun :)

[longsiu]

It is true that using our full voice is better when we want to sing with more energy and power like western singers. But let's face it. Alot of guys have a very short full voice range. I'm part of this group. I can hardly sing any songs at all because of my limited range. This leaves me a very limited selection of songs I can sing.

I'm sure that there are alot of guys who are in the same situation as me. But what if we really love singing and don't want to be limited to singing low songs only? There are a couple of exercises that would help us work through this natural disadvantage:


Master the switch between your full voice and your head voice.

For most males, the break between our lower and higher register is very obvious and whenever we start switching from throat voice to head voice, there is a gap in between which makes the jump sound a bit awkward. We want to eliminate this gap by learning how to sing through the break point. To start off, try singing a scale at a lower volume and feel when your voice is switching register. There should be some kind of crack in your voice, this zone is called the mix. Keep singing your scale up and down that break point until the jump sounds transparent. When you are able to achieve that, try doing the same thing with a higher volume. Keep repeating the same exercise until your volume reaches singing standard.


Extend the range of your full voice

This is pretty similar to fish8's explanation. Like the first exercise, you should sing a scale starting at a lower volume. This ensures that you won't damage your vocal cords during the process. Now when going up the scale, you will find where the limit of your full voice is. You will notice that there are a couple of notes that you are not too sure whether you should sing them in thoat voice, in the mix, or in head voice. Since we want to focus on our full voice, this means we should always choose to sing these notes with our throat voice. Somehow, you should remember not to add in any facial expression or add in more energy to compensate the lack of pitch accuracy. Instead, try to decrease the volume and inceasing it again when you feel more comfortable.These exercises sound pretty effective. But it will take weeks, months and even years before you can really feel a big improvement in your vocal range. So be patient and don't give up. And most importantly, have fun singing. And don't limit yourself to only these exercises. Explore your voice and sing more songs. Feel comfortable hearing your own voice and build up more confidence. If you are confident with your voice, you will be able to sound a lot more stable and deliver a better performance.



Oh and maybe you would think "Ya, you sound like you know alot but you why are you still a crappy singer?" Well don't get me wrong, I'm not a good singer at all. I have one of the crappiest voice around. But I'm just someone who enjoys singing and wants to improve just like everyone else here :D

[fish8]

^ omg...long is so pro ^^v

hey long, u should do like a recording of the exercise :)...and post it on youtube or something...give newbs like me a better idea with your demonstration :)

[poOgee]

for starters i semi disagree with poogie...about the part u said hk artists do not have special voices to differenciate from one another. its totally not true :P...everyone's voice is quite unique. i'm sure u can tell one off another when they're talking on radio or something...just face it, they're too lazy to sing with their throat voice. and they're just scared they'll screw up their voice since they haven't begun singing with the throat since little like the westerners...i'm just sort of saying that it would be nice if there were some new singers that uses a bit of different techniques in particular throat voice...
I'm not actually talking about their "actual" voices, it's just that they don't have that "oomph" when singing, you can actually tell that whatever they've learnt they've copied/done out of habit at K or whatever


It is true that using our full voice is better when we want to sing with more energy and power like western singers. But let's face it. Alot of guys have a very short full voice range. I'm part of this group. I can hardly sing any songs at all because of my limited range. This leaves me a very limited selection of songs I can sing.

I'm sure that there are alot of guys who are in the same situation as me. But what if we really love singing and don't want to be limited to singing low songs only? There are a couple of exercises that would help us work through this natural disadvantage:

Master the switch between your full voice and your head voice.

For most males, the break between our lower and higher register is very obvious and whenever we start switching from throat voice to head voice, there is a gap in between which makes the jump sound a bit awkward. We want to eliminate this gap by learning how to sing through the break point. To start off, try singing a scale at a lower volume and feel when your voice is switching register. There should be some kind of crack in your voice, this zone is called the mix. Keep singing your scale up and down that break point until the jump sounds transparent. When you are able to achieve that, try doing the same thing with a higher volume. Keep repeating the same exercise until your volume reaches singing standard.
Extend the range of your full voice

This is pretty similar to fish8's explanation. Like the first exercise, you should sing a scale starting at a lower volume. This ensures that you won't damage your vocal cords during the process. Now when going up the scale, you will find where the limit of your full voice is. You will notice that there are a couple of notes that you are not too sure whether you should sing them in thoat voice, in the mix, or in head voice. Since we want to focus on our full voice, this means we should always choose to sing these notes with our throat voice. Somehow, you should remember not to add in any facial expression or add in more energy to compensate the lack of pitch accuracy. Instead, try to decrease the volume and inceasing it again when you feel more comfortable.These exercises sound pretty effective. But it will take weeks, months and even years before you can really feel a big improvement in your vocal range. So be patient and don't give up. And most importantly, have fun singing. And don't limit yourself to only these exercises. Explore your voice and sing more songs. Feel comfortable hearing your own voice and build up more confidence. If you are confident with your voice, you will be able to sound a lot more stable and deliver a better performance.



Oh and maybe you would think "Ya, you sound like you know alot but you why are you still a crappy singer?" Well don't get me wrong, I'm not a good singer at all. I have one of the crappiest voice around. But I'm just someone who enjoys singing and wants to improve just like everyone else here :D
Hahahah
In theory, that sounds all good and everything. But in the end it still boils down to whether or not you have that passion for singing --> If you don't you'd probably end up sounding quite dead, all technique no heart kinda thing. I'd rather listen to someone with some heart singing within the limits of their vocal range than listen to someone desparately trying to switch between registers and not having such a good effect

[longsiu]

Hahahah
In theory, that sounds all good and everything. But in the end it still boils down to whether or not you have that passion for singing --> If you don't you'd probably end up sounding quite dead, all technique no heart kinda thing. I'd rather listen to someone with some heart singing within the limits of their vocal range than listen to someone desparately trying to switch between registers and not having such a good effectWell of course it all depends on whether or not we have the passion for doing something... the same applies to basically everything that we do in life...

There are people who are born with a nice voice and don't even need to do much to become good singers. But unfortunately, there are alot more people who aren't born with such good voices but still love singing.

These exercises show that our vocal limits can be way beyond our full voice range. It's just a matter of how well we can manipulate our vocal cords so that the switch between registers can sound flawless. It isn't easy, but possible.

I agree with you that listenning to someone who is able to sing a song perfectly within their vocal limits is better than listenning to someone trying too hard to sing songs that aren't meant for them. Performance-wise, that is totally true. But if we really want to improve and extend our vocal range, we shouldn't be afraid of exploring the zones we are uncomfortable with.

It's like telling a student driver who sucks at parking to only drive straight lines because we are afraid they would scratch their car. But let's face it, we've all hit a couple of bumpers before becoming good drivers.

[poOgee]

*mmmmmm discussion*
I dunno, I used to think vocal range = 好聽
But lately after listening to singers like 張智成 I find that people with HUGE vocal ranges sometimes focus too much on that and lose sight of what they're supposed to be doing - singing songs that sound good, and not just making the audience sit on the edge of the seat from fear of the singer's voice cracking on a high note. True that a lot of singers with huge vocal ranges also have good vocal techniques outside of control of their range (Like Gary), but many also sound really crappy singing in a high register (IMO Justin can be classified as one of these)

[longsiu]

*mmmmmm discussion*
I dunno, I used to think vocal range = 好聽
But lately after listening to singers like 張智成 I find that people with HUGE vocal ranges sometimes focus too much on that and lose sight of what they're supposed to be doing - singing songs that sound good, and not just making the audience sit on the edge of the seat from fear of the singer's voice cracking on a high note. True that a lot of singers with huge vocal ranges also have good vocal techniques outside of control of their range (Like Gary), but many also sound really crappy singing in a high register (IMO Justin can be classified as one of these)ya I agree with you on that... like you said, most of our current HK stars' musical and vocal knowledge is limited to their K-room experience... and most people only dig high pitched male singers... so it became engraved in people's mind that people who can sing high notes without running off-tune are good singers regardless of their techniques... in that sense, I agree with you about the part where you said that alot of singers don't focus on the right thing

somehow, what I was trying to say is that our voice is a more flexible musical instrument than we thought it was and that their are ways to push our vocal limits way farther. once we know how to control our voice perfectly, it is up to us to decide how we want to use it... because knowing techniques is one thing, but having the proper tool to apply these techniques is another thing...

these exercises are designed to improve the control of our vocal range so that we can have more room to apply different techniques and have a wider selection of songs to sing

[fish8]

oh..does anyone know how to do whistle singing?? or is that what u call it?? :S...its like that super falsetto stuff...(dolphin voice) or something like that?

[longsiu]

oh you mean like mariah carey and jane zhang?

I rmb I used to be able to do it when I was like 10... but that was before my operation hahahaha

but no, I don't really know the proper technique... :S
somehow, it kinda sounds scary knowing that mariah's damaged her voice over years so I dunno if it has anything to do with these high notes or is it just because she never rested her voice

[poOgee]

Whistling =\ zzzzz it feels really... really .... bad

[fish8]

^Yes it is true that they make songs that are singable in the k-room. Market strategy from pako and manny (manni,manie?)...u have to agree that the k-room has a very powerful market..just look how twins got famous...1 because their songs were easy to sing and 2, there wasn't many girl girls songs available...
it is possible how they are pitching the songs so its k-room singable for talented artists like hacken. but remember high pitch doesn't mean the song will sound good nor will it mean that the singer is good. instead, as i've said in some posts above, the artists themselves should concentrate on their technique. vary it or something...like even with a simple k-room pitch song, it is up to the orginal artist to develop the song using various singing techniques. how many people can sing eason's 浮誇 good, the pitch range is not that difficult, but its the technique used to develop the song is what makes the song hard...
actually i'm getting tired of english music now :P...rap,metal, r and b all the damn time >.<...but the japs make pretty good music :)...

[jennbutt]

how can i hit the high notes? and it seems like i sing better during midnight or something. and sometimes when i sing, you can't really hear what i'm singing. it's like i'm mumbling or something. i duno. and i don't get how you do those 'do re mi fa so' thingys for warm up. is there an easier or better way to open up your voice? and um, what are some of the warm up exercises that you guys do before singing?

[Piyo]

sing "ah" or any vowel sounds from low to high and back down to low over and over. we did this in choir class.

[bjaii]

lol~ im new here =) i would like to have a si fu for singing too =O

[LapSiLap]

what to do if u're tone deafff and dont even know when u're off tune or not? u practice but u dunnno if you're singing correct....hmmmmm

[Murdoc]

what to do if u're tone deafff and dont even know when u're off tune or not? u practice but u dunnno if you're singing correct....hmmmmm

If you listen to the artist's original song (even for Twins), their CD version usually is modified so that even if they go off key they will be on key. This has to do with a lot of machine tweaking. You can get a good idea of where the notes should be and so just listen to the music and you will pick up that when you sing a certain note that just doesn't sound like it belongs you're going off key. There are 2 ways you can go off key 1) flat (the more common case): which means their the singer doesn't have the techniques to reach the note or their singing range just can't reach it (you went 1 semi-tone lower than the actual note). 2) sharp: the singer sings half a note higher than the intended one.

[LapSiLap]

hmmm if u're tone deaf u dont hear difference between different notes :D ....

[Jupat]

wow...
whistle register ... i want it too xD
chest voice and head voice switch ><
ick... i still cant sing through the passagio ><

[longsiu]

what to do if u're tone deafff and dont even know when u're off tune or not? u practice but u dunnno if you're singing correct....hmmmmm

this question was posted long time ago but was never answered properly so I'm gonna give a try @ replying:

A good way to train your ear is to use a piano. People who are tone deaf have difficulties making the difference between notes so depending on how bad they are, there are a few exercises that can help them with their problems.

Exercise One:
Play two notes one after another on the piano and have the person identify which note is higher/lower. Then ask them to sing those two notes out and see if they are able to reproduce the note they hear. Try different combinations of notes.

Exercise Two:
Please 3 or more notes and ask them to place the notes in order from lowest to highest.

Example:
1st note: Re
2nd note: La
3rd note: Mi

They should be able to place them in this order: 1-3-2
Again, ask them to sing the notes out.

More exercises:
Try different variations of the exercises and use different notes. The goal is to see if the person is able to recognize the notes as accurately as possible.

More advanced:
Play any note on the piano and ask them which note is being played.

Of course, during all this process, do not let them look @ the keyboard

[elkayem]

I'm trying to learn that R&B shit...
I like how Hin's does it so well too.
Khalil and Hin's 轉音 skills are awesome.

[buttcheeks]

hey guys :) i'm new here. when i sing, my friends tell me that i have a nasal voice. only a little though. how can i not sound like i have 鼻音? &&&how do i use my 假音? whenever i tried to do it, it sounds too high and it doesn't sound right =/ help, please　：Ｄ

[perfectflaw]

I have a question guys!!

How do you work on one's pitch? What's bad pitch? How does someone that sounds rather pitchy sound like and how can you control your pitch?

[hkboi]

I have a question guys!!

How do you work on one's pitch? What's bad pitch? How does someone that sounds rather pitchy sound like and how can you control your pitch?

You can first work on ear training exercises, such as playing cords and identifying them. Bad pitch is pretty much something that's out of tune or in wrong key. Well for last question goes back to previous questions someone that sounds pitchy would not sound in tune, as for working on pitch control I guess just work on breathing techniques, vocal range and learn to identify what actual pitches/tones sound like and try and match the note.